Comments on: Obama Race Speech http://spykedup.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/obama-race-speech/ eat this - this is not diplomatic or neutral comment whatsoever! Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:33:22 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Federal Farmer http://spykedup.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/obama-race-speech/#comment-107 Federal Farmer Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:33:22 +0000 http://spykedup.wordpress.com/?p=186#comment-107 Does Obama being multiracial make any difference here? I just blogged on it at http://soozah.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/rush-limbough-on-the-banking-queen-and-the-magic-negro/ Does Obama being multiracial make any difference here? I just blogged on it at http://soozah.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/rush-limbough-on-the-banking-queen-and-the-magic-negro/

]]> By: jsacks http://spykedup.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/obama-race-speech/#comment-33 jsacks Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:22:29 +0000 http://spykedup.wordpress.com/?p=186#comment-33 I'm not completely ruling him out. However, claiming that he helped prevent a civil war depends on how you look at it. Many would say that there is a civil war in South Africa as we speak. It may not be the kind of civil war you are talking about. However, when 50% of the population are left behind despite all the promises of the freedom charter, the anc and Mandela himself, then I would venture to say that yes there is a war going on against the poor. The fact that the government is planning the eviction of hundreds of thousands of SA's poorest residents from the 'slums' is proof of this. So if you ask many poor people what they think, they would say there is a war going on and things aren't really any better than apartheid. Slowly South African's are realizing that 'democracy' is not a real democracy and just a smokescreen for continued oppression. And Mandela helped acheive this through his presidency. I’m not completely ruling him out. However, claiming that he helped prevent a civil war depends on how you look at it. Many would say that there is a civil war in South Africa as we speak. It may not be the kind of civil war you are talking about. However, when 50% of the population are left behind despite all the promises of the freedom charter, the anc and Mandela himself, then I would venture to say that yes there is a war going on against the poor. The fact that the government is planning the eviction of hundreds of thousands of SA’s poorest residents from the ’slums’ is proof of this. So if you ask many poor people what they think, they would say there is a war going on and things aren’t really any better than apartheid. Slowly South African’s are realizing that ‘democracy’ is not a real democracy and just a smokescreen for continued oppression. And Mandela helped acheive this through his presidency.

]]> By: spykedup http://spykedup.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/obama-race-speech/#comment-28 spykedup Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:10:05 +0000 http://spykedup.wordpress.com/?p=186#comment-28 I think it's unfair that you would completely rule out the good things that Mandela did during his presidency. First of all, it was a very difficult time and the major thing that he was trying to avoid, above all - was a civil war in South Africa - and that was a major achievement and you can thank your lucky stars for that! Now I'm not saying some of your points aren't valid, they are - but you cannot overlook this crucial aspect. He made sure that racial tolerance existed even though we'd come through an extremely difficult time. So were the people wrong in putting their trust in him in that respect? I say no - he brought hope and that hope was realised through the fact that SA did not have a civil war and for the very fact that racial intergration was successful. Look, I'm not saying things are perfect, because they sure as hell aren't - but we are a young democracy and we've come a long way in a short space of time - the US has had the racial intergration for much longer but things are still sticky - it is a rut that the whole world is stuck in... Mandela isn't God - and men must change their own attitudes - but he did a lot to contribute towards just that. I think it’s unfair that you would completely rule out the good things that Mandela did during his presidency. First of all, it was a very difficult time and the major thing that he was trying to avoid, above all – was a civil war in South Africa – and that was a major achievement and you can thank your lucky stars for that! Now I’m not saying some of your points aren’t valid, they are – but you cannot overlook this crucial aspect. He made sure that racial tolerance existed even though we’d come through an extremely difficult time. So were the people wrong in putting their trust in him in that respect? I say no – he brought hope and that hope was realised through the fact that SA did not have a civil war and for the very fact that racial intergration was successful. Look, I’m not saying things are perfect, because they sure as hell aren’t – but we are a young democracy and we’ve come a long way in a short space of time – the US has had the racial intergration for much longer but things are still sticky – it is a rut that the whole world is stuck in… Mandela isn’t God – and men must change their own attitudes – but he did a lot to contribute towards just that.

]]> By: jsacks http://spykedup.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/obama-race-speech/#comment-27 jsacks Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:49:45 +0000 http://spykedup.wordpress.com/?p=186#comment-27 America's Mandela..... You may be right about that on a completely different level. As much as I respect Mandela and the sacrifices he made during Apartheid, his presidency was the DEATH of the ANC and the death of South Africa's hopes to bring its bottom half out of poverty. Instead, he made to many compromises with South Africa's wealthy whites in the name of 'unity' and the 'rainbow nation'. The result: nothing has really improved here in the last 14 year. So, as much as I want to love Obama, if you look at what he's actually promising to DO, its not much different than Clinton. He's not even willing to end the war (just wind it down). He's making too many compromises in order to be elected and he's going to change very little because he has some strange idea that he can end class struggle by finding a compromise between what the rich want and what the poor want. So yes, in this respect, he's just another Mandela. A person with whom everyone places their love and hope, but really just a big disappointment to the poor. America’s Mandela…..

You may be right about that on a completely different level. As much as I respect Mandela and the sacrifices he made during Apartheid, his presidency was the DEATH of the ANC and the death of South Africa’s hopes to bring its bottom half out of poverty. Instead, he made to many compromises with South Africa’s wealthy whites in the name of ‘unity’ and the ‘rainbow nation’. The result: nothing has really improved here in the last 14 year.

So, as much as I want to love Obama, if you look at what he’s actually promising to DO, its not much different than Clinton. He’s not even willing to end the war (just wind it down). He’s making too many compromises in order to be elected and he’s going to change very little because he has some strange idea that he can end class struggle by finding a compromise between what the rich want and what the poor want.

So yes, in this respect, he’s just another Mandela. A person with whom everyone places their love and hope, but really just a big disappointment to the poor.

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